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[Dangerguy]

Just curious in all the gamescom footage if anyone caught a sensor grenade in use. I'm just curious as to how it works. Do enemies show up on the mini map like a UAV, are they painted for a short time like the Recon Perk in mw3?

[Thunder Bug]

Just curious in all the gamescom footage if anyone caught a sensor grenade in use. I'm just curious as to how it works. Do enemies show up on the mini map like a UAV, are they painted for a short time like the Recon Perk in mw3?

haven't seen it yet, my guess is that it acts like Recon in MW3/Blackbird in BO1

It will be like the shock mine things, except reveals radar position (my theory)

Edited by Thunder Bug, 16 August 2012 - 03:22 AM.

[Trust In Truth]

Can't be worse then the portable radar! I hate that thing.

[Foxxy]

Could be like the one that is in BFBC2, however i wonder how large the radius on that would be

[HourlongEmperor]

Could be like the one that is in BFBC2, however i wonder how large the radius on that would be

sounds about right, the radius of it would probably be the same as the sensor in BO

[Black_Knight_7]

Just curious in all the gamescom footage if anyone caught a sensor grenade in use. I'm just curious as to how it works. Do enemies show up on the mini map like a UAV, are they painted for a short time like the Recon Perk in mw3?

haven't seen it yet, my guess is that it acts like Recon in MW3/Blackbird in BO1

It will be like the shock mine things, except reveals radar position (my theory)

probably like a thrown portable radar that goes off, shows one uav circular burst then dies. balanced rusher oriented port radar

[SystemLogic]

Can't be worse then the portable radar! I hate that thing.

I like the portable radar, it works great for Domination. Throw it down by a flag and you can always tell if an enemy is about to cap it

[chokosc]

Portable radar is on 80% of my classes.

[Trust In Truth]

I just think its so lame that the radius is so large and is shown to everyone. I didn't mind the motion sensor, but the portable radar was a bit much to me.

[chokosc]

I liked both. Portable was good for when my friend and I played SnD and we both went to different bombs so we both threw it down and it was very helpful (went on a 12 win streak).

But both were equally good.

[Danomight]

I'm really hoping the sensor grenades are the answer for my need for a Recon replacement!

[Cow Liver]

But both were equally good.

IDK man I think MW3 Port Radar was miles ahead of the BO Motion Sensor. Like you said two people can pretty much spot (non Assassins) in objectives without having to tell anyone. If you tried that in BO you'd have a harder time hiding the MS, a smaller range, and you'd have to tell the team when someone showed up on your mini map.

And the BO Jammer was miles ahead of MW3 Scrambler.

It's like if IW took Trey's ideas and mixed them up. I don't know why they did that, it made perfect sense to have the Jammer have a longer range than the MS....

[chokosc]

But both were equally good.

IDK man I think MW3 Port Radar was miles ahead of the BO Motion Sensor. Like you said two people can pretty much spot (non Assassins) in objectives without having to tell anyone. If you tried that in BO you'd have a harder time hiding the MS, a smaller range, and you'd have to tell the team when someone showed up on your mini map.

And the BO Jammer was miles ahead of MW3 Scrambler.

It's like if IW took Trey's ideas and mixed them up. I don't know why they did that, it made perfect sense to have the Jammer have a longer range than the MS....

Well, actually you are right. The MW3 one was better. I also used it much more because it took one press of a button to deploy. Hopefully it is like the one from Blops, I wouldn't mind that. Maybe even a mix with it being shown to the whole team yet a very small radius?

[My Redempti0n]

The thing that bothers me about the portable radar is why are you rewarded for just throwing down a device and your whole team can see where that person is? You nor your teammates might not have known a person was there had it not been for the portable radar. BO's motion sensor was fine to me for several reasons. 1. Gave another reason to run hacker so you didn't show up on it. 2. It didn't show everyone on your team the enemies position. 3. You couldn't throw it in ridiculous places that are sometimes nearly impossible to destroy. 4. And the radius wasn't near as big. 5. The Jammer was amazing in Black Ops so it was a good counter. I'm so happy there won't be nothing that bad in the game. I really refuse to use a portable radar on any class no matter how much the opposing team is playing like douche bags.

Edited by My Redempti0n, 17 August 2012 - 02:13 AM.

[Fully Avenged]

Hopefully this is similar to Portable Radar but only lasts for a certain amount of time. Ideally it would be as follows;

• Sensor Grenade
• Medium amount of time to throw.
• Lasts 10 seconds.
• Takes up Tactical Slot.
• Player is only allowed one on each respawn (possibly make it so that Scavenger or some other perk allows for two).

I think if they only lasted for a certain amount of time, this would reduce the whole 'Portable Radar' problem that was in MW3, although we all know that there will no doubt be a very popular perk that negates it, so I doubt its going to be a huge issue. Of course, it should only last for a set amount of time because it has some other advantages that the Portable Radar didn't (for example, being thrown longer distances, being less noticable I would imagine, and also being easier to hide from the enemy) so it needs something to balance out these considerable advantages.

Although if I'm honest, if the Motion Sensor from Blops is anything to go by, I don't see Sensor Grenades being a particular issue. Treyarch did a fairly good job at balancing those out.

[Archer.]

Hopefully this is similar to Portable Radar but only lasts for a certain amount of time. Ideally it would be as follows;

• Sensor Grenade
• Medium amount of time to throw.
• Lasts 10 seconds.
• Takes up Tactical Slot.
• Player is only allowed one on each respawn (possibly make it so that Scavenger or some other perk allows for two).

I think if they only lasted for a certain amount of time, this would reduce the whole 'Portable Radar' problem that was in MW3, although we all know that there will no doubt be a very popular perk that negates it, so I doubt its going to be a huge issue. Of course, it should only last for a set amount of time because it has some other advantages that the Portable Radar didn't (for example, being thrown longer distances, being less noticable I would imagine, and also being easier to hide from the enemy) so it needs something to balance out these considerable advantages.

Although if I'm honest, if the Motion Sensor from Blops is anything to go by, I don't see Sensor Grenades being a particular issue. Treyarch did a fairly good job at balancing those out.

I like everything you said but 10 seconds is just too short. Maybe 30 would be more appropriate.

[Trust In Truth]

30 seconds would be good
Seen only by the user
Same radius as the motion sensor
Can be thrown like a grenade

This would make them perfectly fine to me. I don't think they will be used as much as portable radar to be honest. Which, will be nice.

[Archer.]

30 seconds would be good
Seen only by the user
Same radius as the motion sensor
Can be thrown like a grenade

This would make them perfectly fine to me. I don't think they will be used as much as portable radar to be honest. Which, will be nice.

I agree with everything you said. Also, I like this point: "Seen only by the user." I've ran into some teams who just spam the portable radars all around the map and force you to run assassin.

[My Redempti0n]

30 seconds would be good
Seen only by the user
Same radius as the motion sensor
Can be thrown like a grenade

This would make them perfectly fine to me. I don't think they will be used as much as portable radar to be honest. Which, will be nice.

I agree with everything you said. Also, I like this point: "Seen only by the user." I've ran into some teams who just spam the portable radars all around the map and force you to run assassin.

Tis my biggest issue with MW3. I don't want to have to run assassin. I actually use all of the red perks and don't want to be "forced" (not literally) into running just one.

[Archer.]

30 seconds would be good
Seen only by the user
Same radius as the motion sensor
Can be thrown like a grenade

This would make them perfectly fine to me. I don't think they will be used as much as portable radar to be honest. Which, will be nice.

I agree with everything you said. Also, I like this point: "Seen only by the user." I've ran into some teams who just spam the portable radars all around the map and force you to run assassin.

Tis my biggest issue with MW3. I don't want to have to run assassin. I actually use all of the red perks and don't want to be "forced" (not literally) into running just one.

Assassin is so beneficial in MW3 it's almost stupid not to run it. I really hope 3arc can fix this.

[MouseKing]

30 seconds would be good
Seen only by the user
Same radius as the motion sensor
Can be thrown like a grenade

This would make them perfectly fine to me. I don't think they will be used as much as portable radar to be honest. Which, will be nice.

I agree with everything you said. Also, I like this point: "Seen only by the user." I've ran into some teams who just spam the portable radars all around the map and force you to run assassin.

IF they are a one time use grenade like a Flashbang while running Recon it would be better if they showed up for the entire team. Otherwise they are just useless.

[Archer.]

30 seconds would be good
Seen only by the user
Same radius as the motion sensor
Can be thrown like a grenade

This would make them perfectly fine to me. I don't think they will be used as much as portable radar to be honest. Which, will be nice.

I agree with everything you said. Also, I like this point: "Seen only by the user." I've ran into some teams who just spam the portable radars all around the map and force you to run assassin.

IF they are a one time use grenade like a Flashbang while running Recon it would be better if they showed up for the entire team. Otherwise they are just useless.

They should be nearly useless. They're in the tactical slot and shouldn't do much.

[MouseKing]

30 seconds would be good
Seen only by the user
Same radius as the motion sensor
Can be thrown like a grenade

This would make them perfectly fine to me. I don't think they will be used as much as portable radar to be honest. Which, will be nice.

I agree with everything you said. Also, I like this point: "Seen only by the user." I've ran into some teams who just spam the portable radars all around the map and force you to run assassin.

IF they are a one time use grenade like a Flashbang while running Recon it would be better if they showed up for the entire team. Otherwise they are just useless.

They should be nearly useless. They're in the tactical slot and shouldn't do much.

To me, that just sucks. If they are shite, should have just brought back the Blops Motion Sensor.

[Archer.]

30 seconds would be good
Seen only by the user
Same radius as the motion sensor
Can be thrown like a grenade

This would make them perfectly fine to me. I don't think they will be used as much as portable radar to be honest. Which, will be nice.

I agree with everything you said. Also, I like this point: "Seen only by the user." I've ran into some teams who just spam the portable radars all around the map and force you to run assassin.

IF they are a one time use grenade like a Flashbang while running Recon it would be better if they showed up for the entire team. Otherwise they are just useless.

They should be nearly useless. They're in the tactical slot and shouldn't do much.

To me, that just sucks. If they are shite, should have just brought back the Blops Motion Sensor.

The whole idea of the motion sensor and portable radar just pisses me off. Maybe I'm being to harsh but the sensor grenade should be about as useful as a flashbang, but just have a different use.

[MouseKing]

30 seconds would be good
Seen only by the user
Same radius as the motion sensor
Can be thrown like a grenade

This would make them perfectly fine to me. I don't think they will be used as much as portable radar to be honest. Which, will be nice.

I agree with everything you said. Also, I like this point: "Seen only by the user." I've ran into some teams who just spam the portable radars all around the map and force you to run assassin.

IF they are a one time use grenade like a Flashbang while running Recon it would be better if they showed up for the entire team. Otherwise they are just useless.

They should be nearly useless. They're in the tactical slot and shouldn't do much.

To me, that just sucks. If they are shite, should have just brought back the Blops Motion Sensor.

The whole idea of the motion sensor and portable radar just pisses me off. Maybe I'm being to harsh but the sensor grenade should be about as useful as a flashbang, but just have a different use.

Well if it worked like Recon but didn't flash bang, or concuss enemies, I could definitely work with that.

[My Redempti0n]

30 seconds would be good
Seen only by the user
Same radius as the motion sensor
Can be thrown like a grenade

This would make them perfectly fine to me. I don't think they will be used as much as portable radar to be honest. Which, will be nice.

I agree with everything you said. Also, I like this point: "Seen only by the user." I've ran into some teams who just spam the portable radars all around the map and force you to run assassin.

IF they are a one time use grenade like a Flashbang while running Recon it would be better if they showed up for the entire team. Otherwise they are just useless.

They should be nearly useless. They're in the tactical slot and shouldn't do much.

Agreed. They shouldn't show up for the entire team. Other people have the option to use them if they so desire.

[MouseKing]

30 seconds would be good
Seen only by the user
Same radius as the motion sensor
Can be thrown like a grenade

This would make them perfectly fine to me. I don't think they will be used as much as portable radar to be honest. Which, will be nice.

I agree with everything you said. Also, I like this point: "Seen only by the user." I've ran into some teams who just spam the portable radars all around the map and force you to run assassin.

IF they are a one time use grenade like a Flashbang while running Recon it would be better if they showed up for the entire team. Otherwise they are just useless.

They should be nearly useless. They're in the tactical slot and shouldn't do much.

Agreed. They shouldn't show up for the entire team. Other people have the option to use them if they so desire.

SO do you think Recon is an overpowered perk and that flashed targets shouldn't show up on other Radars?

[Foxxy]

30 seconds would be good
Seen only by the user
Same radius as the motion sensor
Can be thrown like a grenade

This would make them perfectly fine to me. I don't think they will be used as much as portable radar to be honest. Which, will be nice.

I agree with everything you said. Also, I like this point: "Seen only by the user." I've ran into some teams who just spam the portable radars all around the map and force you to run assassin.

IF they are a one time use grenade like a Flashbang while running Recon it would be better if they showed up for the entire team. Otherwise they are just useless.

They should be nearly useless. They're in the tactical slot and shouldn't do much.

Agreed. They shouldn't show up for the entire team. Other people have the option to use them if they so desire.

SO do you think Recon is an overpowered perk and that flashed targets shouldn't show up on other Radars?

No because it has a weakness, Deadsilence cuts the time it shows on the radar by more than half
OP no
Underused and under appreciated YES

[MouseKing]

30 seconds would be good
Seen only by the user
Same radius as the motion sensor
Can be thrown like a grenade

This would make them perfectly fine to me. I don't think they will be used as much as portable radar to be honest. Which, will be nice.

I agree with everything you said. Also, I like this point: "Seen only by the user." I've ran into some teams who just spam the portable radars all around the map and force you to run assassin.

IF they are a one time use grenade like a Flashbang while running Recon it would be better if they showed up for the entire team. Otherwise they are just useless.

They should be nearly useless. They're in the tactical slot and shouldn't do much.

Agreed. They shouldn't show up for the entire team. Other people have the option to use them if they so desire.

SO do you think Recon is an overpowered perk and that flashed targets shouldn't show up on other Radars?

No because it has a weakness, Deadsilence cuts the time it shows on the radar by more than half
OP no
Underused and under appreciated YES

SO then why should the Sensor grenade, assuming if it acts like Recon be a shittier version, if we can all already agree that Recon is underused and under appreciated. That would basically make it even less used and less useful.

[Foxxy]

30 seconds would be good
Seen only by the user
Same radius as the motion sensor
Can be thrown like a grenade

This would make them perfectly fine to me. I don't think they will be used as much as portable radar to be honest. Which, will be nice.

I agree with everything you said. Also, I like this point: "Seen only by the user." I've ran into some teams who just spam the portable radars all around the map and force you to run assassin.

IF they are a one time use grenade like a Flashbang while running Recon it would be better if they showed up for the entire team. Otherwise they are just useless.

They should be nearly useless. They're in the tactical slot and shouldn't do much.

Agreed. They shouldn't show up for the entire team. Other people have the option to use them if they so desire.

SO do you think Recon is an overpowered perk and that flashed targets shouldn't show up on other Radars?

No because it has a weakness, Deadsilence cuts the time it shows on the radar by more than half
OP no
Underused and under appreciated YES

SO then why should the Sensor grenade, assuming if it acts like Recon be a shittier version, if we can all already agree that Recon is underused and under appreciated. That would basically make it even less used and less useful.

That question shouldnt be towards me haha
I personally dont give a shit about the sensor grenade because it will have a counter.

[Black_Knight_7]

Problem with Port Radar is range and full team view,

w/o full team view it adds the need for communication

the grenade IMO should pulse twice then die

[Trust In Truth]

Recon is a perk and the sensor grenade is a tactical grenade. There's a huge difference between the two.

[My Redempti0n]

Portable Radar was equipment same with the sensor grenade will be. If you used Recon (which is not in BO2) you have to give up a whole perk slot to use it. Meaning not having sleight of hand, blind eye, scavenger, or extreme conditioning. With the portable all you got rid of was maybe some concussions or flashes. Not nearly as important as the perk.

[Matt_Vinyl]

Have you ever tossed a portable radar into that 'endless' pit in the middle of Sanctuary? Still works but impossible to destroy. lol. I did it by accident calling myself a pillock in the process and then noticed it still worked as if deployed in a reachable position.

Will be interesting to see how this grenade works though. I can't make up my mind if I think it's fair/unfair for the whole team to see it's output. On one hand, you could co-ordinate your team so as one / two players use these and the rest have other equipment. But then, you could argue you should be mic'd up and someone should be the 'spotter' for your team and call out enemy locations. Both pretty valid ways of playing...

[SnazzyPanic]

seen as it looks exactly the same as ghost recon future soldiers sensor grenade id gather it has the same effect

[ZaTaisho]

In my opinion, the Sensor Grenade is like any other grenade that detonates. However, anyone caught in the blast radius are painted on the mini-map, like Recon.
This is just my idea though, because with nothing to counter a Motion Sensor-like equipment, this is the most plausible option I can think of...for now.

Edited by ZaTaisho, 18 August 2012 - 11:21 PM.

[Black_Knight_7]

In my opinion, the Sensor Grenade is like any other grenade that detonates. However, anyone caught in the blast radius are painted on the mini-map, like Recon.
This is just my idea though, because with nothing to counter a Motion Sensor-like equipment, this is the most plausible option I can think of...for now.

possibly. would make sense in 3arcs approach at taking perks and making them attachments and equipment

recon ---->> sensor grenade

Edited by Black_Knight_7, 19 August 2012 - 01:09 AM.

[MouseKing]

Portable Radar was equipment same with the sensor grenade will be. If you used Recon (which is not in BO2) you have to give up a whole perk slot to use it. Meaning not having sleight of hand, blind eye, scavenger, or extreme conditioning. With the portable all you got rid of was maybe some concussions or flashes. Not nearly as important as the perk.

Except perk power has been decreased in Blops 2, making equipment and attachments more important as a whole, so yes it is important. And since there is no Recon in Blops 2 there should be some sort of replacement for it, considering it and Stalker were nearly all of the truly innovative things they did with the game.

Recon is a perk and the sensor grenade is a tactical grenade. There's a huge difference between the two.

Perk power is decreased in this game, equipment and attachments are more important then ever. If there is a Sensor Grenade it better be damn worth using and not some gimmicky piece of shit. I do not see the logic of your statement.

[Trust In Truth]

Recon is a perk and the sensor grenade is a tactical grenade. There's a huge difference between the two.

Perk power is decreased in this game, equipment and attachments are more important then ever. If there is a Sensor Grenade it better be damn worth using and not some gimmicky piece of shit. I do not see the logic of your statement.

With that logic then every tactical should be enhanced. A stun is a stun. Does that need to be increased in order for people to use it? No it doesn't. The motion sensor from black ops was good enough and worth using, so why can't it be the same in BO2

Edited by Trust in Truth, 19 August 2012 - 07:10 AM.

[Dunpizzle]

I'd say that it should be like throwing a Flash with recon minus being blinded. And the counter for it would be Tac Mask.

[MouseKing]

Recon is a perk and the sensor grenade is a tactical grenade. There's a huge difference between the two.

Perk power is decreased in this game, equipment and attachments are more important then ever. If there is a Sensor Grenade it better be damn worth using and not some gimmicky piece of shit. I do not see the logic of your statement.

With that logic then every tactical should be enhanced. A stun is a stun. Does that need to be increased in order for people to use it? No it doesn't. The motion sensor from black ops was good enough and worth using, so why can't it be the same in BO2

I never said it should be enhanced, since we don't actually have any idea what this is or what it does, there is no possible way I could ask for it to be enhanced. I'm vocalizing my opinion on how I think it should work.

[xXSaint123qXx]

I don't remember seeing anything about a Sensor Grenade, can you point out where they were talking about it?